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Post by Non-Believer Yet Damned on Jul 22, 2008 20:43:20 GMT -5
Everyone here probably has seen a few good ones.
Little Pete has been pushing the one I'm watching right now. Chicken Hawk.
Holy shit, this was weird. Man / boy love…from both sides. Follows the men who like boys and they tell their side of the story. The boys who were approached tell their side. There seems to be a bit of discrepancy between the two versions. Extremely creepy stuff.
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Post by Coffin Jim on Jul 22, 2008 20:52:43 GMT -5
I really enjoyed The Bridge (2006). It was quite a depressing film.
I've also got to mention Jesus Camp. That was as fucked up a doc as I've ever seen.
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Post by obscure437 on Jul 22, 2008 20:56:00 GMT -5
Chicken Hawk is powerful stuff. Other recs: The Killing Of America Affliction Hated: The Story Of GG Allin & The Murder Junkies What About Me? The Rise Of The Nihilist Spasm Band Sick: The life & Death Of Bob Flanagan, Supermasochist Crumb Philosophy Of A Knife Orozco The Embalmer Marjoe The Cockettes Spine Tingler: The William Castle Story
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Post by Non-Believer Yet Damned on Jul 22, 2008 21:12:40 GMT -5
The Bridge was crazy powerful I was glued to the screen. That final jump, the guy in the black leather jacket...wow.
The Killing Of America--sounds interesting. Where is it avail online?
Affliction--possibly worth a shot.
Hated: The Story Of GG Allin & The Murder Junkies--I have it here, but haven't seen it yet.
What About Me? The Rise Of The Nihilist Spasm Band--I doubt I'd be interested in this one.
Sick: The life & Death Of Bob Flanagan, Supermasochist--seen it. Was pretty good.
Crumb--seen it. Pretty good.
Philosophy Of A Knife--have it on order to buy. I didn't think it was a doc though. More of a movie.
Orozco The Embalmer--I don't know. Maybe...
Marjoe--sounds interesting. Is it avail online?
The Cockettes--nope.
Spine Tingler: The William Castle Story--I bet this one would be fun.
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Post by Non-Believer Yet Damned on Jul 22, 2008 21:24:24 GMT -5
The best docs I've ever seen were Spellbound (on spelling bees! I shit you not, this was cool) and Air Guitar Nation. I had to be convinced to watch AGN, but I loved it. It was probably the most fun I've ever had watching a doc.
Some other good ones:
The Human Behavior Experiments Louis Theroux: The Most Hated Family in America as already mentioned, Jesus Camp Little Lady Fauntleroy (and se3e what happens when the documentarian hates his subject!) Metal: A Headbanger's Journey Abel Raises Cain Animal Passions--by the same guy that did the lame Zoo, but much better. Blood in the Face Cinemania Dark Days Deliver Us from Evil Grizzly Man("I can feel the poo. It’s Warm. " ) Africa addio Lake of Fire--not the easiest film to watch, and it's far too long, but its pretty decent. King of Kong Sex Slaves
Pretty much anything by Louis Theroux is great.
Two docs that I really want to see:
American Mullet Collectors
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Post by obscure437 on Jul 22, 2008 21:29:54 GMT -5
Philosophy Of A Knife is a documentary on Unit 731 with recreated experiment/torture scenes. Marjoe is on CG but does have an official DVD Even won an Oscar. Orozco and the Killing Of America are on TPB. Spine Tingler I saw at a film festival, not on DVD, therefore the internet yet. If you want help finding the rest, PM your e-mail.
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Post by Hug_the_Dead on Jul 23, 2008 0:09:55 GMT -5
I hate the Michael Bay stuff. I loved Grass, though. Inside Deep Throat is another I'd recommend since you're all so against ceonsorship. It uses Deep Throat as a cover for the real purpose of the documentary.
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Post by ascoldasice on Jul 23, 2008 1:31:12 GMT -5
We can't also go past Africa Adios and Mondo Cane.
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Post by Non-Believer Yet Damned on Jul 23, 2008 5:38:37 GMT -5
Philosophy Of A Knife is a documentary on Unit 731 with recreated experiment/torture scenes. Marjoe is on CG but does have an official DVD Even won an Oscar. Orozco and the Killing Of America are on TPB. Spine Tingler I saw at a film festival, not on DVD, therefore the internet yet. If you want help finding the rest, PM your e-mail. Thanks!
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Post by shaggyrand on Jul 23, 2008 7:45:22 GMT -5
Good lists thus far.... But what about? No order what-so-ever : Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills Thin Blue Line (or any other doc by Errol Morris...) UP! series The Great Happiness Space: Tale of an Osaka Love Thief The Corporation Night and Fog Italianamerican A Life in Pictures Pretty as a Picture Battle for Brazil Hearts and Minds The Sorrow and the Pity Baraka The Endurance Brother's Keeper Lost in La Mancha Merchants of Cool The Power of Nightmares 1: The Rise of the Politics of Fear Hacking Democracy The Israeli Lobby Century of Self series Born into Brothels The Trap: Whatever Happened to Our Dreams of Freedom? Episodes: Fuck You Buddy, The Lonely Robot, & We Will Force You to be Free America: Freedom to Fascism Baghdad ER Dispatches series Earthlings (but try to find the version that was released before PETA got involved with it [Fucking hate PETA... fascist bastards]) F is for Fake In the Shadow of the Moon My Kid Could Paint That An Unreasonable Man
I know I'll think of more later....
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Post by Non-Believer Yet Damned on Jul 23, 2008 22:00:28 GMT -5
Shaggy...that is a mighty long list. What would be the best ones to track down from it? I've hardly heard of any of them.
Pete. I watched The Killing of America...good call. It was solid.
The Killing of America 9/10 The new best reason ever for a senseless killing: “Because Monday’s are always so boring.” That was a real reason for a woman to snipe kids and school workers. Now without being glib, if this doc doesn’t leave you feeling numb by the end, and that there is a definite problem with America and to a lesser extent modern culture…you may have no empathy what so ever. If the opening 5 minutes were stronger (it was so bad, I almost stopped watching) it would have scored higher. It followed the escalating violence in the USA from Kennedy to Lennon with Jonestown, Bundy, Kemper, Manson and others in between.
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Post by ascoldasice on Jul 24, 2008 2:36:28 GMT -5
Shaggy...that is a mighty long list. What would be the best ones to track down from it? I've hardly heard of any of them. Pete. I watched The Killing of America...good call. It was solid. The Killing of America 9/10 The new best reason ever for a senseless killing: “Because Monday’s are always so boring.” That was a real reason for a woman to snipe kids and school workers. Now without being glib, if this doc doesn’t leave you feeling numb by the end, and that there is a definite problem with America and to a lesser extent modern culture…you may have no empathy what so ever. If the opening 5 minutes were stronger (it was so bad, I almost stopped watching) it would have scored higher. It followed the escalating violence in the USA from Kennedy to Lennon with Jonestown, Bundy, Kemper, Manson and others in between. That was one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen, when that guy had the shotgun to his back for 3 days. What was his name?
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Post by shaggyrand on Jul 24, 2008 8:26:05 GMT -5
Shaggy...that is a mighty long list. What would be the best ones to track down from it? I've hardly heard of any of them. Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills. Thin Blue Line (or ANY Errol Morris doc): Morris is probably the best doc film maker working these days. Thin Blue Line re-examines a cop killing. Gates of Heaven about pet cemeteries. Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr., execution technician and Holocaust denier. All are great but those three are my favorites. UP series: Starting at age 7, Micheal Apted goes back to the same group every seven years (the last was 49 UP! and 56 UP is coming in 2011) Although it began as a political documentary, the series has become a film of human nature, existentialism, and the drama of success, failure, promise, disappointment, and growing up. Merchants of Cool Born into Brothels: A photographer goes go to Calcutta to photograph prostitutes. She teaches their children photography. The Sorrow and the Pity: Two Part doc about WWII French Resistance and Vichy Collaborators. Night and Fog: Concentration Camps The Great Happiness Space: Tale of an Osaka Love Thief: About a Host Club in Japan. The male hosts and their female customers are interviewed. Several of the customers work as prostitutes and some state that they keep working in order to be able to afford supporting their favorite hosts. The interviews reveal that neither host nor customer trusts the other. Interesting look at a modern Japanese sub-culture and the nations gender relations. I love most the movies I listed but the above are my favorites.
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Post by Non-Believer Yet Damned on Jul 24, 2008 8:50:34 GMT -5
Shaggy...that is a mighty long list. What would be the best ones to track down from it? I've hardly heard of any of them. Pete. I watched The Killing of America...good call. It was solid. The Killing of America 9/10 The new best reason ever for a senseless killing: “Because Monday’s are always so boring.” That was a real reason for a woman to snipe kids and school workers. Now without being glib, if this doc doesn’t leave you feeling numb by the end, and that there is a definite problem with America and to a lesser extent modern culture…you may have no empathy what so ever. If the opening 5 minutes were stronger (it was so bad, I almost stopped watching) it would have scored higher. It followed the escalating violence in the USA from Kennedy to Lennon with Jonestown, Bundy, Kemper, Manson and others in between. That was one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen, when that guy had the shotgun to his back for 3 days. What was his name? Richard Hall was the hostage. Tony Kiritsis held the gun.
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Post by jessicaligula on Jul 24, 2008 10:29:21 GMT -5
Shaggy already mentioned it and I also have to recommend Brother's Keeper.
Capturing the Friedmans is incredible, as well.
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Post by shaggyrand on Jul 24, 2008 10:44:37 GMT -5
Capturing the Friedmans... agreed... with reservations. The makers of Capturing the Friedmans made a studied decision to minimize the historical context of the charges for the sake of drama. Had the filmmakers placed the case in full perspective and included the overwhelming evidence they had uncovered, the movie would have been less evenhanded but perhaps more responsible (mainly because I thought the 'evenhandedness' was done just to avoid the complexities of the case) The DVD does make some amends for this, but I also felt it was a bit too self-congratulating.
I still preferred Thin Blue Line and Paradise Lost, which unlike Capturing the Friedmans, don't hold back for dramas sake.... nor do they avoid complexities.
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Post by jessicaligula on Jul 24, 2008 12:39:34 GMT -5
Capturing the Friedmans... agreed... with reservations. The makers of Capturing the Friedmans made a studied decision to minimize the historical context of the charges for the sake of drama. Had the filmmakers placed the case in full perspective and included the overwhelming evidence they had uncovered, the movie would have been less evenhanded but perhaps more responsible. The DVD does make amends for this. I missed that disclosure and completely understand your reservations. It makes me think a little less of it, too, obviously. It's been years since I've seen it, but what I remember fascinating is how they were portrayed as such a normal cookie cutter family and all the while.... So I wonder if I would still feel the same way if the filmmakers had been completely forthright. But then again, I don't know exactly what was covered up. I have the DVD somewhere. I hope I didn't lend it out because I would like to watch it tonight.
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